I consider those who believe in an old earth, saved, because Jesus didn’t say you had to subscribe to a certain form of earth origins. Sadly, the impact of this translation is likely to be further division within evangelicalism. Post translation problems and improvement suggestions under Versions after reading Welcome. I take the following from the end of my first RSV blog post: Thomas Nelson produces journaling Bibles, how nice it would be to have an RSV. it says, ‘one day,’ it doesn’t say when that day is, nor if it’s a literal 24 hr day or a day in the figurative since, as in in the day of creation.” *Shrugs* I’ve eased up on that criticism (I first heard from Kent Hovind, see last RSV article, again). The RSV though, from I’d say ’52 to the late 70s was the NIV for people. Experiencing God's Presence in West Africa. Better Bibles Blog has moved. (ESV). I’m part of a growing Facebook group of those who like and prefer the RSV. If you’d like to copy the above, edit it for your purposes and e-mail them, that’d be great. I have been in the ESV fairly regularly for the most of my adult life. But do Wezlo's ears discern theology in this way? And God saw that it was good. I think it is just that, sounds. Change ), You are commenting using your Twitter account. And it was so.Gen 1:8 And God called the expanse Heaven. I’ve touched in a blog post, on the topic within a philosophy on translations: do we want majestic sounding language (because God, the topic of the Bible, is majestic in nature), or do we want a common sounding translation because the Spirit-inspired writers of the Bible were writing to the common man? You’ll see the difference. This comment has been removed by a blog administrator. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.Gen 1:6 And God said, "Let there be an expanse in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters. The new translation includes changes to nearly 60,000 words from the Revised Standard Version (RSV) and is the best combination of a literal translation written in smooth and readable English. Blog posts that contain Bible Translation per day for the last 30 days. The English Standard Version (ESV) stands in the classic mainstream of English Bible translations over the past half-millennium. Save on Thompson Chain Reference Bibles, study bible. In fact the RSV has become a not-as-popularly-used Bible now after maybe half a century’s use? In the NRSV sister is also used when the speaker is addressing a group of people. Improvements over the RSV are of four different kinds: updating the language of the RSV, by replacing archaic forms of speech addressed to God (Thee, Thou, wast, dost, etc. And then we know of the complementarian revisions (or, perhaps, failures to revise RSV even though English has changed since the 1950s) which are theologically motivated at least in a broad sense. It was the ESV for people. And it was so.Gen 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. Tell your congregants to download the RSV for free off of YouVersion Bible app, or start hunting on eBay. Undergirding at least one (if not 2) Evangelical Christianity’s great-selling translations, is the RSV. It’s spawned two, if not 3 or more Bibles directly (I’m thinking NIV also besides the two aforementioned translations). And there was evening and there was morning, one day.Gen 1:6 And God said, "Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters. Eph.5 Verses 21 to 33 [21] Be subject to one another out of reverence for Christ. In a comment on my preceding post, Singing Owl wished to be able to compare some passages from the RSV and ESV.Well, here are some, in a birds-eye (ahem!) It affects the lungs and its bronchioles (smaller passageways that carry air to the lung). Biblia Thompson RVR 1960: Edicion p/ Estudio Biblico, Enc. The scholarship was still solid, but it seemed to many that the translation now was bowing to egalitarian concerns by going too far in its gender inclusiveness. Singing Owl wished to be able to compare some passages from the RSV and ESV, Michael Marlowe comments on the ESV revision of these verses, Packer: ESV may be my most important work. Again, I invite you to read my older post to see the extended dialogue concerning this translation of Isaiah 7:14. In other words, the RSV is more consistent and unapologetic using masculine pronouns and nouns throughout the text than the ESV. And maybe BBB visitors can help us compile this list also. The only other unsettling feature I have of RSV’s translation, is its translation in Genesis 1 at the end of each days of Creation. The RSV had a rendering of Jeremiah 3:22 that really sounds good to the ears. But NRSV has also removed the thee's and thou's, and is in fact a lot more different from RSV than ESV is. Further, in the RSV/ESV the only time sister is used is in the context of a familial relationship. However, your doctor may suspect RSV based on your medical history, time of year and a physical exam. Choosing a Bible: Understanding Bible Translation Differences, Relevance Theory: A Guide to Successful Communication in Translation, The Gender-Neutral Bible Controversy: Muting the Masculinity of God's Words, How to Choose a Translation for All Its Worth, A User's Guide To Bible Translations: Making The Most Of Different Versions, Linguistics for Students of New Testament Greek: A Survey of Basic Concepts and Applications, Are There Mosquitos In Heaven? Majesty. In fact I don't think it will be accepted outside a small subset of the evangelical world. I am grateful that RSV is now releasing a bit more freely on digital channels, among them BibleGateway, YouVersion, and Olive Tree. Please Bookmark our new location and update blogrolls. As the ESV preface states: The English Standard Version (ESV) stands in the classic mainstream of English Bible translations over the past half-millennium. Comments on "accurate" Bible translations, New Testament Resources (Rodney J. Decker), Textual properties, communicative clues and the translator. (I will not argue here Young Earth Creationism v. Old Earth, etc. Upon marriage at 23, I was still regularly reading the New Century Version Bible, a 3rd grade reading level Bible I believe. majestic translation out there is probably KJV to our ears. Thanks and God bless. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. 2 The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. Folks have to use digital copies, or find older copies or weird fringe-printing copies. The link now works. It has been going around in my head for awhile, “Is there a case for reading the RSV over the ESV?” Another Bible I read fairly regularly is actually another “predecessor” that’s been outdone by its child (in the case of RSV, children – NRSV and ESV). (One 2011 NIV I had puts the ‘debated’ text in italics.). In my estimation, the RSV would be a good common ground. Nevertheless, one of the Majestic aspects of the RSV I appreciate over the ESV was something I hadn’t heard of or ran into before, and that is when referring to God, the RSV retains archaic, majestic KJV-style pronouns. Or I should say, some have said that ESV sounds closer to KJV than NKJV does in some respects. Thank you, Wayne, for correcting the link.Yes, ESV has made theologically significant changes to RSV in most of the places listed as "examples 22, 23, 24, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 32": Romans 9:5; Genesis 12:3 and 22:18; Genesis 28:14; Psalm 2:7,12; Psalm 8:4-6; (not in fact Psalm 22:16); Psalm 45:6; Isaiah 7:14; and Joel 2:13. I studied from it greatly. Better Bibles Blog del.icio.us tags inventory, A User's Guide To Bible Translations: Making The Most Of Different Versions, by David Dewey I read from it for devotional purposes for probably 4-5 years exclusively. A congregant in my church slowly turned me on to the RSV. He read it, I think regularly, per my arrival to the church I preach at. 4 And God saw that the light was good. Would the RSV be considered less conservative because of this translation? As for Romans 9:5, the issue is not as clear cut as the authors of this paper make it sound; the RSV translation is exegetically defensible, but I agree that the ESV is probably better.Anon makes a good point in complaining that ESV does not even give alternative understandings in footnotes, although RSV and NRSV do. Although a majority of these infections are self-limiting, some infections like bronchiolitis and pneumonia have the potential to become life threatening conditions. In that respect, the NKJV will have all the content of the KJV where R or ESV will not. You could say that RSV takes a more conservative approach by not separating the text as much. The ESV has its roots in the discussions that took place back in 1997 at the Focus on the Family headquarters in Colorado regarding the controversy over the proposed inclusive-language revisions to the NIV. I didn’t do much research, other than, “Well the guy I listen to and agree with on pretty much everything Bible seems to think it’s an okay Bible.” So since about age 24, the ESV’s been my primary. The name decided on was The English Standard Version (ESV). At John 1:14 the ESV, following the RSV from which it was patterned, gives the irresponsible rendering of “only” for the textually undisputed μομογενης which according to the Theological Dictionary Of The New Testament “means ‘of sole descent’ i.e., without brothers or sisters. Peter noted:The link to significant theological revisions is broken, which is a shame.No more shame, Peter! Since the ESV has been revised and translated by evangelical scholars, it has gained a larger following of evangelicals and is now one of the top-selling modern translations. The English Standard Version (ESV) is an "essentially literal" translation of the Bible in contemporary English. I’m sure many literal, six-day creation believers loved the RSV. RSV can also cause more severe infections such as bronchiolitis, an inflammation of the small airways in the lung, and pneumonia, an infection of the lungs. This means some verses were “removed,” (I talk about this in the last… you know what I’m going to say). It still commands great respect. Respiratory syncytial virus (RSV) is a very common virus that leads to mild, cold-like symptoms in adults and older healthy children. In RSV’s first printing, they included large chunks absent from these manuscripts (such as John 8:1-10; Mark 16:9-end) as footnotes. They didn’t think their audience too dumb to figure out, “Hey, I wonder if just men called on the name of the Lord?”. It is available for a fee. RSV is one of the most common causes of childhood illness, infecting most children by two years of age. ( Log Out / This is again, kind of brushing up on some content of my first RSV post. So for example, the latter part of Genesis 4:26 states, “At that time people began to call upon the name of the Lord,” in the ESV (emphasis mine), while the RSV translates the same phrase, “At that time men began to call upon the name of the Lord,” (emphasis mine). And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.Gen 1:3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light.Gen 1:4 And God saw that the light was good. The RSV is the ad fontes of ESV, NRSV, and to some extent, NIV. So I agree with him that I too "find it hard to believe the ESV will ever be taken seriously outside of partisan circles ... the ESV reeks of mediocrity". Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. I get it. I don’t know if the HC RSV is representative of most 2nd Printing NT RSVs, but it’s interesting that it seems to me ESV makes that interruption to let you know that some manuscripts don’t have these sections, whereas RSV would make it barely notable by only letting you know in a manuscript. One person posted the other day, a question of this sort of blog piece. In their second revision, they flipped it, including the text back in, and marking a footnote at the beginning letting readers know that these sections were absent in certain manuscripts. Sinner by nature, saint by redemption, child of God by grace. Take time to consider the one translation that inspired them all, and really, sets itself up as a formidable one at that. Respiratory syncytial (sin-SISH-uhl) virus, or RSV, is a common respiratory virus that usually causes mild, cold-like symptoms. When publishers make changes such as this, we often get requests to keep the prior version(s) available. It has not been used for 400 years like the KJV likes to claim. It retains the KJV language cadence even more so than NKJV according to some random folks out there on NKJV Bible fan land. Compare here in the RSV and ESV: The RSV in other cases have retained perhaps older sounding words. So now we have in the marketplace two rival revisions of the RSV—the NRSV and the ESV—both claiming to be legitimate successors. [22] Wives, be subject to your husbands, as to the Lord. I must have messed up that link a bit when I was editing the post. But then, it is the foundation for ESVs used to day. (ESV), Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.Gen 1:2 The earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the Spirit of God was moving over the face of the waters.Gen 1:3 And God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light.Gen 1:4 And God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness.Gen 1:5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. Even so, it survived. It’s to take up the Bible of the latter half of the 20th century, to read the first “common english” Bible, that was nevertheless… majestic in flavor. Where the ESV and other “conservative” Bibles might say, “The first day,” “the second day,” and so on, the RSV (and NRSV) say, “one day,” “a second day,” etc. In one word, sales. Thees, Thous and the like. Change ), You are commenting using your Google account. ( Log Out / Scofield Reference Bible, edited by Cyrus I. Scofield, is the premiere dispensationalist Study Bible. Healthy adults and infants infected with RSV do not usually need to be hospitalized. And God separated the light from the darkness.Gen 1:5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. I quickly, like many people, became an avid listener, and would read a blog post or two from him here and there on my own time. Perhaps what we should also suggest, what sets the bar for Majestic language? The ESV is a direct revision of the RSV and is an update of the old ASV. (RSV), Gen 1:1 In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.Gen 1:2 The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. This gives the sense of only-begotten. In a given church, I think you’ll find a group of KJV / NKJV lovers, and maybe the rest of the gang up to date with the ESV, CSB, NIV, etc. How is it that you say, ‘You will become free’?” Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who practices sin is a slave to sin. RSV is a highly contagious virus infection that is most prevalent during the winter season. . Is NASB2020, and NET going to take off? RSV is the abbreviation for respiratory syncytial (sin-SISH-uhl) virus (RSV). Matthew 10:41, “He who receives a prophet because he is a prophet shall receive a prophet’s reward, and he who receives a righteous man because he is a righteous man shall receive a righteous man’s reward,” (RSV, emphasis mine). ; Most children who develop an RSV infection have mild symptoms of fever, nasal congestion, nasal discharge, and cough. Get your own chart! All but the first and last of these relate to Messianic prophecies, and the ESV reading in each case can be criticised as dependent on a New Testament understanding of the passage rather than on the actual meaning of the Hebrew text as intended by its author. In that stream, faithfulness to the text and vigorous pursuit of accuracy were combined with simplicity, beauty, and dignity of expression. He told me that he had discovered that the RSV is only 6% different from the ESV. Crossway, Holman, Nelson, and Zondervan are all doing all they can to sell their Bibles. And there was evening and there was morning, a second day.Gen 1:9 And God said, "Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear." For pastors (like me) who might consider to use the RSV at their church, it’d be nice to have accessibility to the translation as much as other popular translations. I’m part of an “RSV Bible Readers Group” on Facebook. The NCC authorized a full revision of the RSV in 1974, the work of the translation committee was completed and approved in May 1989 and published later that year as the NRSV. Pictured here in comparison again are the RSV (LEFT) and ESV (RIGHT). Experiencing God's Presence in West Africa, by Jeannie Sindlinger, Writing the Wrongs / Righting the Wrongs, by Al Johnson (e-text). I follow along in the RSV sometimes at the church when someone else (such as a person required to read for additional Bible reading in the service, I’m the pastor) is reading the ESV, I can see that almost word-for-word it follows. It seems surprising that the small amount of difference between these two versions is enough to change it from "almost painful to my ears" to "put together well for public reading".I should modify this by saying that removing the thee's and thou's significantly reduces the pain to my ears, and so in this way RSV is more acceptable than ESV to me as well. Wayne, have you found other theological revisions? Each of the following words appears in an English Bible version. Consider here: In my several-times-now mentioned last blog post on the RSV, I went through a few things that made the RSV under suspicion. "Gen 1:7 And God made the expanse and separated the waters that were under the expanse from the waters that were above the expanse. Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window), Click to email this to a friend (Opens in new window), Bible Review: HCSB “Hero” Bible / Law Enforcement Officer’s Bible, Grace in God’s Wrath: Reading Jeremiah in 2020, Mark L. Strauss, in a bashing article on the ESV, There is a very nice black leather bound ecumenical study Bible sold as well, a blog post, on the topic within a philosophy on translations: do we want majestic sounding language, You can do so by going online here, and clicking on the “Submit a Request Feature, you can join the RSV Bible Reader’s Group on Facebook, WAITING for CONSOLATION: A response to January 6th, 2021, ESV or RSV? In my Bible reading this morning, I was in Jeremiah. I think RSV’s resting and lack of publicity nowadays is simply because it’s been outsold, and I mean sold in the derogative sense. Most children experience respiratory tract infections frequently during their childhood. The English Standard Version (ESV) is an English translation of the Bible.It was published in 2001 by Crossway, having been "created by a team of more than 100 leading evangelical scholars and pastors." Why did translation into English cause arguments? Unfortunately, the original pdf file from which Google cached its html conversion is no longer available, although Google still lists it. Having been a rather steady reader of the ESV, and only now reading the RSV fairly regularly, I can agree. Crossway Bibles made a revison to the text of the English Standard Version (ESV) in 2016. The fountainhead of that stream was William Tyndale’s New Testament of 1526; marking its course were the King James Version of 1611 (KJV), the English Revised Version of 1885 (RV), the American Standard Version of 1901 (ASV), and the Revised Standard Version of 1952 and 1971 (RSV). First is legacy. I would have rather hoped that he would use his brain rather than his ears to make such theological judgments. The ESV is based on the 1971 edition of the Revised Standard Version (RSV) text.. Crossway states the ESV "emphasizes 'word-for-word' accuracy, literary excellence, and depth of meaning." He really pushed reading the ESV, so I bought one, partially convicted that I was still using a 3rd grade reading level Bible otherwise (ESV clocks in at an 8th grade reading level). Do not use a dictionary or any other resource as you answer the questions. The ecumenicalism the RSV translation enjoys is certainly on display there. ), and by replacing words whose meaning has changed significantly since the RSV translation (for example, Paul's statement in 2 Corinthians 11.25 that he was "stoned" once) If any folks know the RSV, they might find these, especially the last one, surprising. Granted, in bigger cities, I don’t know, maybe the whole idea of Pew Bibles are laughable anymore, because you can just direct everyone to download a Bible app. (Well, I do, that’s one.) The link to significant theological revisions is broken, which is a shame. The very easy reading of the NCV hooked me as a teenager, and I stuck with it, because most Christians seem to just have that “one Bible,” and nothing else is required, nor did I even think about reading multiple Bibles at one time. Overall, the ESV team made very little literary revision of the RSV. Especially while they interpret the restatement of Isaiah 7:14 using the word “virgin?”. Some of this will be similar content, just by sheer necessity of the topic at hand. If you’d like to know more or meet a bunch of RSV fanatics, you can join the RSV Bible Reader’s Group on Facebook. I'll keep checking on the Internet to see if others have such a list. Some have asserted that the KJV sounded common to the common man back then? (amazon.co.uk), Bible Translation: Frames of Reference, edited by Timothy Wilt *Shrugs* I wasn’t alive back then, so I can’t verify that for you. One Mark L. Strauss, in a bashing article on the ESV, throws that 6% difference from the RSV statement around, where he gets it I don’t know? Change ), You are commenting using your Facebook account. The RSV is the ad fontes of ESV, NRSV, and to some extent, NIV. Read our last post, below, and then [23] For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. On one more “conservative” note, I want to touch on gender neutral language. I appreciate RSV translating “men,” as “men,” and while I understand the sense of “people,” I’m just pointing out RSV took a more conservative approach. [24] As the church is subject to Christ, so let wives also be subject in everything to their husbands. Dura (RVR 1960 Thompson Student Bible, Hardcover)
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